The long-rumored, long-dead Apple car is looking more and more like a reality, with Apple reportedly talking to auto manufacturers about building a fully autonomous electric car as soon as 2024.

Apple and Hyundai are currently in talks to build the cars at a Kia plant in West Point, Georgia, according to CNBC, citing anonymous sources. These will not be Hyundai or Kia cars, but Apple’s own brand. This partnership would give Apple a factory ready to start building cars by 2024, rather than requiring the company to take a considerably longer time (and more money) to build one from the ground up. The CNBC report stressed that the deal isn’t final, and Apple may well choose a different manufacturer or delay the rollout. Apple has reportedly tried to pair up with carmakers in the past, but hasn’t, obviously, been able to work something out.

The report follows a December Reuters article stating that Apple was planning to start production of its own line of electric cars with pioneering battery technology, and another in January on possible Apple and Hyundai talks. Apple has not confirmed any of these reports, which has been the company’s standard procedure with its long-brewing car project.

Apple has been trying to get a car rolling for years with little public success. The prospect of the company actually producing its own car by 2024 is no sure thing, but the rumored talks with Hyundai certainly make it seem more possible than ever before. That said, building a new car line is a long, daunting process, especially if the company behind it is hoping to incorporate new technology into the project. Apple, being Apple, almost surely will want to do this. The company has always been interested in doing its own thing, from its operating system to, most recently, its M1 MacBook chips.

Also, it’s Apple, one of the richest and most innovative companies in the world. Never count Apple out.

We first learned of a possible Apple car in early 2015 when the Wall Street Journal reported that the company was trying to build a Tesla competitor. The project, dubbed “Titan,” was approved by CEO Tim Cook about a year earlier, the paper said. But Apple car plans may date back much earlier: Founder Steve Jobs reportedly considered building a car in 2008. The plan then was to build an electric car as opposed to creating a self-driving one, which is what Google and Uber were trying to do at the time. While it would take a considerable amount of time and money to actually get a car on the road, Apple had plenty of both, according to the report. About 1,000 people were said to be working on the project. Apple declined to comment on the story.

By the end of 2016, however, it seemed that Apple had shifted from making its own cars to making self-driving technology that would be used in other manufacturers’ cars. But talks with BMW and Mercedes-Benz to be manufacturing partners collapsed, and hundreds of people left the project. Even so, it had apparently already yielded some results: The New York Times reported that Apple had a “number of fully autonomous vehicles in the middle of testing, using limited operating routes in a closed environment.”

There was also some hard evidence that something automotive was in the works at Apple. In 2017, the company got a permit from the California Department of Motor Vehicles to test self-driving on public roads in the state. Cook also said that the company was working on autonomous driving software around this time. And in 2018, an Apple test car (made by Lexus) was rear-ended by another car (driven by a human), offering further proof that Apple was still doing something in the space. But an actual car produced by Apple seemed increasingly unlikely though not completely out of the question. Meanwhile, Apple had yet to confirm it was working on an actual car.

At the beginning of 2019, it looked like Project Titan, whatever it was, was on the brink of death. Apple laid off 200 people on the Titan team in January, but in June, it acquired a struggling autonomous-driving startup, renewing hopes that Titan was still going. Other than that, it seemed as though the company’s interest in self-driving technology was waning; its test cars logged far fewer miles in 2019 than in 2018.

While there were reports throughout 2020 that indicated that Apple has revived plans to produce its own cars — the rumor blog Apple Insider has dutifully cataloged patents filed by the company for everything from motors to self-tinting windows — Reuters’s December report was a definitive sign. The report also said that Apple will use its own self-driving technology and build its own cars, marrying the two phases of Project Titan into one product. CNBC echoed this, quoting a source who said that the car was “designed to operate without a driver.” This, CNBC said, could indicate that the Apple car’s first customers will be food delivery services and self-driving taxis — not the general public. So don’t start saving up for an Apple car just yet.

And, according to Reuters, Apple is hoping to bring something new to the table with a battery design that will make electric car batteries cheaper and last longer. One person involved in the project described the battery technology as “next level.” Apple’s focus on battery design makes a lot of sense, given Apple’s work on improving batteries in its existing products. We may be seeing some of the technology Apple hopes to incorporate into Project Titan now; the iPhone 12 Pros and iPad Pros come with LiDAR sensors, which self-driving cars use to map out their surroundings and detect nearby objects.

The auto industry has continued to slowly push into the electric and autonomous car markets. But the Apple car looks like a threat to Elon Musk’s Tesla, perhaps more than any other carmaker at this point (Apple has even made a habit out of poaching Tesla employees), Musk hasn’t seemed too thrown by the possibility. He, did however, admit that he tried to sell Tesla to Apple, but Cook wasn’t interested.

Of course, any report about Apple’s future comes with plenty of caveats and little certainty, as demonstrated by the car’s path up to this point. But there does appear to at least be a path now. Now we’ll see if anything drives down it.

As it has all along, Apple declined to comment.

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